RSSNOVA – Crash of Air France flight 447 accident investigation PART 2
Dec 06
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PART 2 Similar to ACI/Air Crash Investigation/Mayday. This is about an hour long instead of the usual ACI 45 minutes per episode. Forensic investigators reconstruct the final moments of the Air France disaster. Flight AF447, an Air France Airbus A330 flying from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, disappeared over the Atlantic Ocean with the loss of all 228 lives. How could a state-of-the-art airliner with elaborate electronic safety and navigation features and a faultless safety record simply fall out of the sky? NOVA assembles a team of seasoned pilots, engineers, and safety experts to examine the evidence that emerged in the weeks following this horrific disaster. Igore the following, just keywords: Cockpit Failure / The Invisible Track Crossair LX Flight 3597 Heathrow Crash Landing / Heathrow Enigma / Heathrow Miracle British Airways Flight 38 Pilot Betrayed / Uncontrolled Engines Scandinavian Airlines Flight 751 Who’s In Control? / Who Pilots Turkish Airlines Flight 1951 Hudson River Runway / Hudson Splash Down / Heroric Landing on the Hudson US Airways Flight 1549
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Dec 06, 2011 @ 20:22:07
All I can say is, FUCKING COMPUTERS. Atleast have an auxillery mechanical/hydraulics control system. If come fails then you’re dead, wtf is that all about?
Dec 06, 2011 @ 20:30:17
@lsharpe69 the pitot heat wouldnt of helped as the pitots were not that good at resisting icing anyway
Dec 06, 2011 @ 20:33:47
@shimuka2 I cant understand why manufacturer should be blamed when pilot crashes plane after failure caused by bad maintenance of airline.
Dec 06, 2011 @ 21:01:16
@Pvjinflight Stop harrssing me damn it. If it isn’t because you can’t understand that it make no sense. It perfectly clear. and for the record you don’t kknow shi about airbus so stop it already.
Dec 06, 2011 @ 21:30:41
@shimuka2 Whatever, your arguments make no sense at all.
Dec 06, 2011 @ 22:09:02
Nah, you just know nothing about aviation if you think that manufacturer can make plane idiot safe that cant be crashed, and if it crashes its manufacturers fault.
Investigation has proven that pilots pulled nose up in case of stall simulation when they should pull it down, so main cause of this accident was pilot error, and ofc they are just humans and make errors, I would blame Air France for bad training & from that they did not replace faulty pitot tubes in time.
Dec 06, 2011 @ 22:50:36
@Pvjinflight Look you obviously don’t get what I tried to say. So please stop posting comment directly at me because this is really annoying. And don’t give me a 0% Airbus fault. This prove that you don’t know anything about the company itself. so bye-bye
Dec 06, 2011 @ 23:50:02
@shimuka2 But absolutely you are an idiot if you think that its manufacturers fault when some airline tries to cut corners by not replacing faulty parts which leads to failure that leads to disaster when failure is handled wrongly by pilots. Investigation team just tells the facts, and its a fact that pilot error is number 1 cause of all accidents and that planes with not falures at all are sometimes crashed because of pilot error. Also they investigate what made pilot to make that error.
Dec 07, 2011 @ 00:36:59
@shimuka2 Machines never are completely fail safe, always there can be found some new problem, smaller or bigger that wasnt found before. And actually Airbus warned Air France from faulty pitot tubes before this accident, but Air France did not replace them in time, so this is 0% Airbus fault. Those tubes were not made by Airbus, Airbus warned Air France when they found that they are faulty, and other than those tubes plane worked just like it should.
Dec 07, 2011 @ 01:28:48
@shimuka2 Plane worked just like it should, just pitot tubes that were not made by Airbus froze which leads to loss of speed data, but its still possible to fly the plane by setting nose to some degrees up and exact engine power setting for that which will keep speed same, manual says that its what they should do in case of loss of speed data, but these pilots did not do it.
Dec 07, 2011 @ 02:06:01
@Pvjinflight and this isn’t the first time it happened for the same reason. Pilot are human they will make mistakes. The plane in the other end is a machine, it shouldn’t make mistakes. So basecally year this is as much as airbus fault than airFrance or the pilot. So putting the blame just on them sucks. And this low cause they’re dead they won’t defend themselves. That was the point of what I was saying.
Dec 07, 2011 @ 02:13:14
@Pvjinflight Are you French?? I guess not. what I said was that they put the blame Only on the pilot in my country without even talking about the plane defiance. That was what I was talking about. Who do you yhink put so much electronic and make the pilot more dependent of it?? The manufacturer and this isn’t my saying, but a lot of pilots from the ancien generation. I agree the pilot made mistake that night but why, because they followed fake result given by the plane computer.
Dec 07, 2011 @ 02:16:39
@shimuka2 Also wrong reaction to stall situation is not only pilot error, but probably also lack of training by Air France. The fact remains that most of the time pilot actions cause plane to crash, and good training prevents pilots from making errors even in bad failure situation like this.
I think that its just stupid to blame manufacturer when acts of pilots and airline crash plane made by them. Just like blaming Toyota when someone crashes their car.
Dec 07, 2011 @ 02:25:07
@shimuka2 Technical failure was pitot tubes that froze inflight in bad weather, there was some design error but they were not made by Airbus so I wouldnt blame them. Anyway fault of pitot tubes made by that manufacturer was known, but Air France tried to save money by slowing down their replacing with ones that had not that fault, it was speeded up after AF447 as pilots refused to fly with faulty ones.
Dec 07, 2011 @ 03:20:58
@shimuka2 Black boxes were found so we do know what happened, and they showed pilots pulling the nose up when plane was stalling, which is exactly opposite of what you need to do in stall situation, which is pulling nose down to get airspeed rise. So it was clearly pilot error, and almost all of accidents happen because of pilot error or combination of technical failure and pilot error like this one.
Dec 07, 2011 @ 03:43:41
@idkjames they found both the flight recorders at the beginning of may
Dec 07, 2011 @ 04:26:12
Yesterday morning on the paper they put 95% of the blame on the pilot. That’s so unfair. I am pretty sure they did what they could to save a fucking plane with too much defiance. It looks like the BEA is trying to blame air france more than airbus. I think they are both at fault here. I hope they all can find peace, and that one day we will know what really happened for sure.
Dec 07, 2011 @ 05:20:57
EVRYBOY LIE ABT SO MANY MISTERIOUS CRASH due to UFO ACTIVITY IN THE SKY WERE THEY PARK THEIR SHIP
Dec 07, 2011 @ 05:23:18
It’s unknown if Pitot head was on because no FDR.
Dec 07, 2011 @ 05:38:49
I don’t understand…even if all the “safety systems” switch off why can’t pilots fly manual without them? I understand that is was chaos in the cabin with the weather and 24+alarms but even still? These are not hobby pilots, they have experience and are experts, why could they not continue to fly?
Dec 07, 2011 @ 06:26:42
How did you get it in a great quality? Please write back.
Dec 07, 2011 @ 07:20:10
How do you get the video in high quality?
Dec 07, 2011 @ 07:49:03
Again, it’s a case of man vs machine, an everlasting argument. really no winner here between man control and manchine control when this a tragedy like this happened.
Dec 07, 2011 @ 08:44:18
@jdamdamiguedira. Thank you for your statement. You’re absolutely right. But please adhere to the Flight Manual for the A340. No fuss about that. You don’t enter a deep stall just because you don’t change your pitch. The a/c will adjust itself to its new condition and pitch down to about 1-3 degree and adjust to the new FL. Try it yourself! What I wrote is fact and not science fiction. Read and learn!
Dec 07, 2011 @ 09:36:04
damaged aircraft, i guess? =/